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[earthbound child]

Hey guys, PM me. I have SOS, GN, Zebra, and AU all wrapped and sealed in MINT conditions. PM me your offers and we can come to some final prices. Everyone have a Merry Christmas and RESPECT to all of you in the JB fam!

[earthbound child]

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=110793603040

[pjvedder]

If your looking for AU vinyl, id suggest buying from the store 1st, before buying preowned.

[jbtdotcom]

I'd suggest buying silver or gold coins rather than vinyl albums as a future investment.
Play the vinyl and enjoy them, buy precious metals to horde for the future.

Aaron, this price is way too much, at least wait 20 years for these kinds of prices.
Being 'Mint' means it's lasted over time when most other copies have been played or beaten from handling and storage.
These are only a couple years old, they should be in good nick even if you've played them!

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=110793603040

It's one thing to collect and re-sell for a few bucks if there's a demand but it's a bit obscene to try and make 10x what they are worth and tell people this is what they go for when people are looking for a copy.

April Uprising you can still get from the shop for $40. They cost us about $25 a piece to make so we're not trying to gouge you out of your money, we just want vinyl albums ourselves and we need to make at least a 1,000 so they don't cost us too much to make.

[earthbound child]

I have posted the GN vinyl at that price because the last few on eBay have went for over 270 USD. I am not selling AU on eBay. I know it is still available! I am only selling one of my GN vinyls because of a bind I am in otherwise I would keep them......thanks for your input though.

[earthbound child]

I buy 3 copies of each vinyl, one for john to sign for me, one to play and one to store for the future when my other one gets worn out. I am only selling my unopened GN because I know they go for about 250-270 usd on eBay and I am needing the funds at the moment. I am not trying to use anyone or the trio, I would never do that to john and the guys.....I respect them too much and have never been one to make money off of anything or anyone. I also only mentioned the other vinyls in case someone wanted a "full set"

[jbtdotcom]

If you can sell it for that amount then good for you, i don't have a problem with that. If someone is loaded and can spare that amount and is happy then let them buy it.

BUT i want everyone else out there who's tempted to pay that much to realise that they really aren't worth that amount unless it's worth that amount to you and who knows if they will ever really be worth that in general collector values. There's been a bit of talking up amongst fans on these vinyls to pump the price up with big promises but we've NEVER made those promises about the vinyl, if we did then we would sell them for a lot more to begin with. As it is we sell them at such a tight margin that JBT are lucky if they break even but because JB wants his records on vinyl we thought we'd make them for everyone else too. As they are expensive to produce we worked out that 1,000 is the best price point for us, so that's why we do that many. If we make less they cost a LOT more to produce, the more we make the cheaper it becomes per unit but the higher the outlay and risk that we can't sell them.

The 'limited edition' factor means any future pressings won't be on the more expensive coloured vinyl and will probably have a more economical packaging. We number these so no one can be sold a regular black vinyl in a 'limited edition' sleeve in the future. If the sleeve is numbered, the vinyl must be coloured.

So my point is - if they buy them as an 'investment' then they should really go buy silver/gold bullion instead because that IS a good investment. Buy the Perth Mint Koala, kookaburra, kangaroos, Canadian Maples or Pamp Suisse coins/bars. That's an investment that should double / triple / quadruple your money over this decade as currencies devalue and collapse. (study the spot price of silver (AG) and gold (AU) daily, always buy 24k gold or .999 silver bullion, don't buy collector coins or anything less than pure, don't buy anything from China as it's likely fake, start reading about central banking history and currency wars, be careful buying bullion from ebay as there's a lot of scammers, learn all you can about money because it's being used as a weapon of war against the population and you must know what your going to be dealing with in the future if you plan on investing and saving, DYODD - Do Your Own Due Diligence).

If on the other hand you are rich and can blow $200-400 on a record then buy them from Aaron and enjoy them so he can buy some silver coins.

[misha]

I wouldn't advise Perth Mint product to be all that good an investment. Tends to be way over priced [spot value].
Better investment in such commodities is in the form of what's termed 'junk silver'..... coins only worth their bullion content.

I started buying silver like this a few years ago.... what I have could be sold off as collectable by year and condition for much more, but in any case, bullion value has doubled over 2years.

Gold? Hmmmmm ... over priced really for what it is useful for. Best 'value' passed 4years ago really. Again, PM stuff is not what I have... it's in the form of 22ct Sovereigns.

The thing is, rotten lousy commercial dealers will sell to you at more than 'spot' and buy under that daily 'spot' price.
Just wheeling and dealing by profit hungry capitalist who have created a lot of wealth for themselves at the expense of many.

As for evilBay... the real product for sale there is YOU if you hold an account and are active. They do not consistently act to remedy the listing of forgeries or counterfeit items [and the market is awash with such in the form of coins you may try to invest in.... not to mention gold & silver plated lead ingots of supposed gold and silver]
They sell the images you upload and the data from trading. You are the 'product', be you a buyer or seller.
They use the term 'win' and 'won'... the connotation from that there is a looser.... often the seller when they push the low start listing or 'hunt a bargain' crap... often the buyer when it's a forgery or counterfeit they are not interested in rooting out, because it is bad for their listing profit margin. - evil indeed.
evilBay own that PayPal and push it's use along with sham claims of 'safety'. Seen what action that mob took on wikileaks? Seen what happens when you post a thread regarding anything wiki has released on their discussion boards? Well, you get a permanent ban from use of such discussion boards, and there is no argument with the likes of those that administer the crappy dis[gusting] boards. Simple as that.

[89vision]

I have posted the GN vinyl at that price because the last few on eBay have went for over 270 USD. I am not selling AU on eBay. I know it is still available! I am only selling one of my GN vinyls because of a bind I am in otherwise I would keep them......thanks for your input though.

If you are so confident in the value, then why set it at such a high reserve and even more insane buy it now price? The ones that recently sold both started at $1 and worked their way up based upon demand. Its hard to believe aren't trying to profit when you very clearly have a specific amount and mind and will not let it go for what the market dictates it at.

I will also say again bro- I contacted you from july thru august via PMs agreeing to your top dollar prices and you left me hanging. So are you really looking to sell these or what?

[misha]

In terms of marketing and grading records it is risky to claim 'Mint' grade for an item that has not been inspected for manufacturing flaws that DO occur.
Being still shrinkwrap sealed means it hasn't been visually graded for defects.
Likewise, a 'Mint' graded cover looks like it has never had a record placed inside. This just hasn't happened.
Then there is the affect of shipping internationally.. through the hands of the uncaring.

Perhaps I'm somewhat jaded by my experience here in WA where all items shipped to me have taken a hammering. I've just had to explain to someone tonight, whom I'm trading with, why I have no confidence in postal system here, by example... I have seen the way the moron truck drivers throw bags of mail items onto a footpath and drag them along ground in the middle of the night when they think nobody is watching. Yes, such experience of loss and damage has turned me off and I insist anything of collectable or fragile nature is packed as if going to a War zone.

Perhaps have a read up on the Grading Standard used Internationally for record marketing... The Goldmine Grading System.
A grading claim of 'Mint' is problematic.

[earthbound child]

The reason I set the price so high is because I really dont want to sell it unless its an offer I cant refuse. I will still sell them to you if you want them. I have my copies i get john to sign for me and my copies I play and then my "stash" copies. These are my stash copies and i really want to keep them, just desperately need the funds...... 89vision, on me and we will get it going.

[jbtdotcom]

I wouldn't advise Perth Mint product to be all that good an investment. Tends to be way over priced [spot value].

It's not over priced at all but you have to time the market correctly to buy the dips. That takes study and awareness of a lot of economical events to time it properly.
Do your research properly and you can buy close to spot or buy before a price rise so the premium you pay today becomes the new floor in the price next week. It is most expensive to buy from the mint itself but find a dealer that buys bulk on the dips and they'll usually have really good prices, often well below the mints price.
I think in 10 - 20 years the price will be high enough that your not going to think twice about the small premium you paid for a minted coin and the quality of those coins will be a lot easier to sell.

Better investment in such commodities is in the form of what's termed 'junk silver'..... coins only worth their bullion content.

I don't like junk silver. I think in the US it's not a bad option because they have a big circulation of junk coins but i foresee problems in the future offloading junk.
The junk coins are being faked on mass by China and when the price rises there will only be more of it in circulation with a lot of people thinking they've invested only to find they have nothing of value. That will cause traders to be suspicious of junk, you'll have to get it refined and assayed if you plan on offloading a good bulk amount. Just adds more cost. In the event of complete pandemonium where a black market trade becomes the only hope then junk coins could be good in that scenario.
You can do fine with junk but for new comers, you really need to be very diligent in buying junk silver, anyone new to this should stick to high grade mint bullion to make it a hell of a lot easier to sell in the future.

Gold? Hmmmmm ... over priced really for what it is useful for. Best 'value' passed 4years ago really. Again, PM stuff is not what I have... it's in the form of 22ct Sovereigns.

Gold is never over priced because it's a weight and measure against inflation of currency. If gold costs a lot then it means there's too many bank notes in circulation because the central banks have been printing currency. Gold going up means central banks are pilling debt on top of economies. Gold acts like a floater on a fishing line. As the currency sinks under the waters of debt, gold rises with the tides. Gold is the cryptonite of fascist central bankers because it's the antidote to unchecked debt - they have tried to control gold with paper ETF markets but that will blow back in their face soon. Since central banks and private mega-bankers do horde gold it does raise the spectre of confiscation through high taxes on sales in the future, they'll be able to avoid those problems but the small fry like us will get hit hard which is why i think silver is safer, since it has the industrial use it'll be hard to impose high taxes on sales without affecting everything in the chain. Gold they could do that easily because it's really only used as money and a counter weight to debt.
You'll get $4,500+ an ounce possibly this decade which is roughly 2.5 times return on buying it at todays prices but silver will return a bigger multiple than that if you hold it passed 2020.

Neither should be considered a 'get rich quick' scheme but rather a 'preservation of wealth'. To get rich you'll need to devote a hell of a lot of study and learn a hell of a lot more about economics than just gold/silver prices but if you want to maintain your savings then removing them from being stored in devaluing paper notes is a smart investment most people aren't preparing for properly.

Things are going to get very real over the next couple years, it hasn't even begun yet.

[misha]

sigh .... bit tired to discuss all you have posted there jbtdotcom. I don't disagree with you say.... just that one must know what they are getting into with trading precious metals, thats for sure.

One thing I will reiterate though and perhaps few realise, evilBay is the largest coin/banknote/bullion coin marketplace in the World, in terms of daily turnover in $$$ and quantity AND that it is awash with the very thing that undermines that market.... damn forgeries made in China and marketed by organised criminals and those that have bought trash and seek to get rid of it. I know it well, I was part of an evilBay members group tracking this sort of thing [a real eye opener] , until my mistake of posting a wikileaks subject and youtube clips on their shite dis boards.
The inattention to reports of dubious listings in all fields, except the Fashion designer market, is disgusting. EvilBay's claim of no responsibility is disgusting... I look at it as being 'complicity' in the crimes.

And my memory of scams and such isn't limited to that above. I recall people advertising evilBay listings here, and then people getting ripped off... not to mention questionable LFH tapes. Remember that? I sure do.

'Greasy'.... yeah, just add $$$ to the mix... no different to those coins and banknotes really. Can't say I'm all that keen on things akin to Real Estate marketing tactics.

Good advise earlier jbtdotcom... EVERYONE, apply all due diligence in trading of collectables. Ask yourself, is this a 'need' or a 'want'?

[misha]

The reason I set the price so high is because I really dont want to sell it unless its an offer I cant refuse. I will still sell them to you if you want them. I have my copies i get john to sign for me and my copies I play and then my "stash" copies. These are my stash copies and i really want to keep them, just desperately need the funds...... 89vision, on me and we will get it going.

Perhaps you are not aware... the last paragraph in that listing could be considered a violation of listing policy [re: Heritage tape] and so, you risk having evilBay pull the listing and you do your $$ in listing fees. Ever tried arguing with Admin there? LOL no chance.
Also, the text reads to me as 'full of attitude' that doesn't bode well with a zero feedback ID your using there.

Yes, I do know evilBay trade well including the rhetoric... like a Real Estate novelist stuff and ambiguity people use. Also the use of Copyright images.... man, haven't you a camera and know the edition number of what you are listing?

My policy with that site? Always ask seller a question prior to any bid [on average I post a number of questions and replies to sus out the vendor, if they have the item if a 'stock photo' is used... and item condition details] , and due to bad postal experience [ripoff and transit damage]... personal pickup of item unless absolutely necessary.

Do we understand that everyone?

[Plarocks]

Hey there,

Looking for a Mint "Grand National" here with all of the posters/inserts.
Please contact me if you have an extra copy for sale.

I am also going to be posting some rare vinyl on e-Bay soon, if you are in a trading mood.

I would probably trade a BUNCH of it for a copy

Happy New Year,

Peter

[JBT#1]

Did that really sell for $325 + shipping?!?

[earthbound child]

yeah. if you look on ebay, i actually canceled it right when it was over and I and the buyer are talking about it privately. im not too sure i wanna let it go.

[JBT#1]

yeah. if you look on ebay, i actually canceled it right when it was over and I and the buyer are talking about it privately. im not too sure i wanna let it go.

If you canceled it and your talking about it.... the answer to my question is no. Good for you if you can get 300+ out of it, I wouldn't see a reason to keep it for that price.

[misha]

If you canceled it and your talking about it.... the answer to my question is no. Good for you if you can get 300+ out of it, I wouldn't see a reason to keep it for that price.

I can't see any good reason to bid on it at all given:

1. Zero Feedback seller - no trade history.

2. 'Private Listing' - the realm of shill bidding and a format originally created for 'adult' products. There is a long history of scammers using this format because it prevents informed users contacting the 'winner' to enlighten them of a fake or misrepresented items.

3. No disclosure of edition number. - Easy to cite if seller has the item.

If you would like to know what number of 1000 it is, please message me as I will be pulling my stuff out over the next few days to get ready to ship.

4. Use of 'stock image' lifted from another seller site. - Copyright infringement

5. High start price - a big turn off

BUY IT NOW will be set kinda high for those who may be desperate to get one.

6. Statements in description -

ALSO...if the reserve is NOT met, this will not be sold as I will keep them in my "extras" section of my vinyls and keep them until they are worth more.

7. Use of terms associated with record trading that could not apply - "MINT" ... this grade could not be due to effects of packaging and shipping. As for 'damage free' disc, how could that be asserted if the shrink wrap had never been removed and disc inspected?

8. The [now removed] statement in description soliciting for another item, which infers trade in violation of evilBay policy.

.....and now, further admission of violation of the trading site policy that constitutes:

9. 'Non Selling Vendor'. ie. cancelling sale after normal listing process.

10. Engaging in what can be regarded by evilBay admin as 'off site trading' that reads as if you seek more than price realised.

Not sure if you want to "let it go"? Still not satisfied with the price realised and still hungry?

As for those who bid so high... we had a term for those people in the numismatic field. - BIDIOTS

[earthbound child]

wow MISHA!!! you are a EBAY genius!!! you are nothing but rude as hell in everything you say. NO, I am not hungry for more. NO, I am not trying to get over on anyone. NO, I am not a liar. I purchase 3-4 copies of every vinyl. One for my personal use, At least one for John to sign for me, and one to have as backup in case something ever happens to my personal copy. The number of this vinyl was 891 by the way and I AM SORRY that I don't know all of the "terms" and "lingo" that is to be used on selling things on ebay.....I am new to that stuff and learning the ropes.

Misha, how about just giving me pointers on how to sell things instead of critiquing me and being rude as hell to me for no reason.


Aaron.....yes, the final bid was for $325 USD plus shipping. At the end of the auction, I decided I may not want to sell it right at the moment if it is going for that much, I figure 20 years from now, I may get quadruple that. Anyway, I and the highest bidder are talking and when I decide to sell it, I and him will be making a deal if he doesn't have one by then and it will be for the exact amount that the final bid was for. I have had 3 people offer me that price so I am contemplating very hard about it.

Can I ask why the hell this is such an issue for everyone??? Why is this any of anyones concern on how or why I sell it. If someone offers over $300, everyone here would probably sell theirs. I may not want to now and the high bidder understands that, I am fortunate that he was understanding.

[pjvedder]

Aaron,

You wanna know why its everyone concern? You are the one that made a topic about you selling it...If you dont want comments, then just sell it privately...But you can do what you want on ebay and sell or dont sell..But if your gonna post about it here, expect some comments....just sayin

i mean

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[JBT#1]

wow MISHA!!! you are a EBAY genius!!! you are nothing but rude as hell in everything you say. NO, I am not hungry for more. NO, I am not trying to get over on anyone. NO, I am not a liar. I purchase 3-4 copies of every vinyl. One for my personal use, At least one for John to sign for me, and one to have as backup in case something ever happens to my personal copy. The number of this vinyl was 891 by the way and I AM SORRY that I don't know all of the "terms" and "lingo" that is to be used on selling things on ebay.....I am new to that stuff and learning the ropes.

Misha, how about just giving me pointers on how to sell things instead of critiquing me and being rude as hell to me for no reason.


Aaron.....yes, the final bid was for $325 USD plus shipping. At the end of the auction, I decided I may not want to sell it right at the moment if it is going for that much, I figure 20 years from now, I may get quadruple that. Anyway, I and the highest bidder are talking and when I decide to sell it, I and him will be making a deal if he doesn't have one by then and it will be for the exact amount that the final bid was for. I have had 3 people offer me that price so I am contemplating very hard about it.

Can I ask why the hell this is such an issue for everyone??? Why is this any of anyones concern on how or why I sell it. If someone offers over $300, everyone here would probably sell theirs. I may not want to now and the high bidder understands that, I am fortunate that he was understanding.

I think he actually was giving you pointers. There are many good points he made to help make your listing as profitable as possible. Not everything everybody says is a personal attack. In 20 years quadruple that in dollars will probably be worthless... that's a different topic thou.

[misha]

Here is another 'tip' about evilBay trading NOT mentioned previously in this thread. [I've mentioned many other issues associated with that 'venue' that have come from bad experience over time]

I don't use the correct name for the site, rather a variation. Yes, sure can be somewhat affected by that 'bad'.... lets get real folks.
The primary reason why is due to search engines like Google, which I'm advised long ago can have search results link back to forum like this, where open discussion is indeed open for all review. Hows about everyone here having a think about that for just a second.
Think about how a 'winner' of an online auction listing, be they naive or not to evilbay site policy and the options open to them, may react if they read objective opinion in this case.

In balance I can't say all my evilbay experience was all bad. I traded with some very honest and indeed Nobel folks around the World and picked up some highly desirable collectables over a period of 3years, until I disassociated myself due to being banned from forum there and site policy that could only be described as 'evil'.... and the rhetoric evilbay generate to self promote which is conflict with the reality.
Yeah... heaps of times items I'd 'won' were well below true market value and it was me who was asking vendors if they really wanted to close on it all. I'd never had one back out. Heaps of times vendors had sent 'extra' with the item at no charge.... especially in the case of old 78rpm records. And heaps of times I'd paid more than realised auction price because I didn't want to ripoff the vendor knowing their position and knowledge of the item being sold.
And then there is the case of friends and associates made on that site over time.... some highly respected people in their fields who put in a lot of time to enlighten others for more than their own vested or pecuniary interests in a collecting field.
Last and by no means least, I found the woman I will be living with soon... a soul mate... just as soon as I can escape this drunkard hell hole I'm in currently - a 3,500km move to the other side of this Continent.

Need I say more? Perhaps yes.
I'm the biggest critic of me folks... whatever you can say or try dish out on me is nothing to what I've had come at me in real life forum of far higher significance than what generally presents on the internet. Yeah, I've been chucked out of bigger and better forum than stoopid evilbay and other FOR TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.... real life political forums that is. In that, my focus was on Land Use Determination, Social Justice and Governance issues.... Governance being 'due process' and the adherence to those rules. I was never paid to do so.

Just note... I could have 'gone personal' on this and other threads regarding secondary marketing, but have applied restraint in such ad hominem tactics. I can't see any point in doing so, because the real shit that sticks is the truth.... and that some people are their own worst enemy over time.

[bassEsq]

I have been a lurker on this forum and am not terribly inclined to participate, but I felt some things needed to be cleared up here.
 
I am the buyer and now owner of this particular vinyl that was for sale on eBay.
 
Yes, there were several red flags about this auction, I have been buying on that site for over a decade, and was well aware of many of the points made here. In fact- I posed several of the same questions (0 feedback, condition, # of the vinyl, etc) to the seller and received satisfactory replies. I know this point doesn’t hold much water given some of the other flaws in the listing, but everyone on there has to start with 0 at some point. My poor experiences on there are limited, but anything that has occurred has been resolved appropriately.
 
To some, perhaps I am a “bidiot”. Personally, I look at it as my situation is such that cost or money is of zero concern, and I very much enjoy JBT and this has been a vinyl I’ve been trying to obtain for some time now. If my options are to have it at a high cost or not have at all, I will always choose the former, and I apply this to any hobby I indulge in. I understand others may weigh the same options and come to a different conclusion, but I’m not here to debate that.
 
Although I don’t particularly agree with items that retail for far less fetching such a high price, that’s the story with collecting things, whatever it may be. It’s only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. This isn’t always fair but in a free market fairness isn’t the main objective. Obviously, when the goods are still available in the retail market, it’s completely asinine to see a high priced auction for several times the retail price.  
 
Secondly, I am not too clear as to why things are being spun as if this vinyl has not been sold, it has. It came into my possession on Dec. 30.
The seller and I did deal outside of eBay, curious to be sure, but there was a reason given. I don’t see a need to disclose private dealings on a public forum, but although the reason was flimsy in my opinion, it was not enough to detour me from not proceeding with the transaction. No more or less was paid than the final amount from eBay.
I will add that I am more than confident in any recourse that would have been necessary should things have gone wrong. But they didn’t, and things are great.  
 

[P-Man]

Topic closed guys. Item sold.